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It emerged on Sunday that communications head Michael Ramstetter had bumped up the number of votes cast by ten times to make the VW Golf 2014's car of the year. Bild am Sonntag reported Ramstetter claimed 34,299 were cast for the VW Golf. In reality it was 3,409.

On Monday the Munich-based company admitted that this was just the start of the scandal.

Ramstetter had, the Süddeutsche Zeitung reported, lied about participant numbers in at least 2012 and 2013, in order to make the prize, and therefore the company – which has 19 million members – appear more important.

It is unclear how many years the manipulation of the award has gone on for.

Whether this meant Germany's top car award, the “Gelber Engel”, was a total fix is unclear, as the ballots were destroyed for “data protection reasons” the paper said.

“I've messed up and cooked the numbers,” long-standing employee Ramstetter told the Süddeutsche Zeitung shortly after being sacked on Friday. His boss, head of ADAC Karl Obermair, has ordered a full investigation into his actions.

“Credibility and trust are our key commodity,” Obermair told the newspaper, adding that ADAC would be apologizing to car manufacturers. The award was a respected gauge of cars on the market.

ADAC management said it was unaware of the deception and pledged to conduct the ADAC Motorwelt readers' survey under the supervision of independent legal observers in future.
   
At a televised press conference, managing director Karl Obermair said he would stay on in the post, saying that Ramstetter "is not a pawn sacrifice, but a high-ranking executive of the ADAC".
   
Pledging a full investigation, he said ADAC staff were demoralized by the scandal and had reacted to the news with "an emotional mix of outrage, anger and disbelief".
 
Ramstetter was also editor-in-chief of ADAC's car industry magazine Motorworld. He was photographed by the Bild newspaper heading off on holiday on Sunday following his dismissal. "It's a write-off," claimed the paper, after the 111-year-old association's admission.
Speaking for many in a country where the car is sacred, Transport Minister Alexander Dobrindt demanded that ADAC "put the cards on the table" and provide full transparency over what went wrong.

ADAC is best known in Germany for its "yellow angel" roadside assistance patrols which rush to the aid of stranded drivers, as well as for its rescue helicopters.

But the Munich-based club is also a major lobby group and corporate operator which tests vehicle safety and sells commercial services from car rentals and insurance to holidays and long-distance bus services.

It also came under fire in 2005 for fixing a test of the budget, Romanian-built Dacia. It put out a press release saying the vehicle was unsafe while later transpiring the company had purposefully damaged the wheels to make it perform badly, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung revealed.

Green party parliamentary leader and transport expert Anton Hofreiter said that the ADAC or Allgemeine Deutsche Automobil-Club "cannot afford a fraud on this scale", pointing to its "public responsibility".




Абе, шо зборам јас веќе 3 години





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Баш ме интересира како ќе испадне.
The numbers thing, the how-fast-can-we-drag-race-a-bunch-of-cars, is the realm of people who think more is better, not better is better. - Matt Hardigree, Jalopnik.

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Би било добро да ги видиме сите бројки. Ако зголемувале за Голф, дали линеарно зголемувале и за сите други.

Во реалност, пумпале бројки, не го местеле изборот. Многу поголем скандал е саботирањето на Dacia.

@Лошко, гледаш Community? :)

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Сакале да се прикажат како повлијателни од што се.

Голфот е најголема жртва од недоразбирањата заради првото место.

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не гледам. Да почнам?

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Сакале да се прикажат како повлијателни од што се.

Голфот е најголема жртва од недоразбирањата заради првото место.

Жртва е, му дале само 10 пати повеќе гласови од тоа што реално добил :)
Шала, no hard feelings right ;)

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Kaко и на сите други што им дале 10 пати од што добиле, така и на него.

Незнам зошто би имал хард филингс. Јас би купил Октавија пред Голф 7.

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За нив, ќе си остане state of the art, без разлика дали некој лажирал нешто или не.

Али..... ако Фолксваген се фалел како АДАК го рангира голфот како најбољи а после испадне дека не бил, тогаш може да нафркаат за false advertizing

“Credibility and trust are our key commodity,” Obermair told the newspaper, adding that ADAC would be apologizing to car manufacturers. The award was a respected gauge of cars on the market.


There went the credibility down the toilet ;D

Нешто како у стилу Крел и Адам Опел  :o

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Think “motoring awards” and chances are the words “Volkswagen Golf” are likely to come to mind almost immediately.

ADAC’s communications head Michael Ramstetter has admitted he “bumped up” the number of votes cast to make the VW Golf ADAC’s 2014 Car of the Year.

According to Bild am Sonntag, Ramstetter claimed 34,299 votes were cast for the Golf, when it was actually 3,409.

Unfortunately for all involved, the scandal may not be limited to 2014 alone.


Problem solution:


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Дени, што мислиш за 508-цата?
Побарав по направените тестови низ сајтав ама не најдов.
Може не е лошо да е следното тест возило што ќе ни го преставиш :)

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За нив, ќе си остане state of the art, без разлика дали некој лажирал нешто или не.
Али..... ако Фолксваген се фалел како АДАК го рангира голфот како најбољи а после испадне дека не бил, тогаш може да нафркаат за false advertizing

Хипотетички еве, возам Голф. И убаво ми е, све фино лепо. Одлична кола, сум си дозволил солидна опрема и добар мотор, и ич не ми чуе. И испаѓа скандал дека АДАК лажирал бројки на анкета (значи само бројки, а не резултати и рангирања, until proven otherwise), за да се напумпа нивниот процент на веродостојност и релевантност.

И? Што има тоа врска со мене, мојот Голф итн итн?

Think “motoring awards” and chances are the words “Volkswagen Golf” are likely to come to mind almost immediately.

ADAC’s communications head Michael Ramstetter has admitted he “bumped up” the number of votes cast to make the VW Golf ADAC’s 2014 Car of the Year.

According to Bild am Sonntag, Ramstetter claimed 34,299 votes were cast for the Golf, when it was actually 3,409.

Unfortunately for all involved, the scandal may not be limited to 2014 alone.

Дефинитивно е скандал, но колку што можам да видам, не е избор на кола на годината, туку анкета за читателите за „омилено возило“. Резултатите од анкетата претрпеле манипулации. Според нивниот портпарол, бил изманипулиран финалниот број на гласови, но не и рангирањето.

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/adac-im-einsatz/motorwelt/ramstetter.aspx
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As a consequence of manipulated figures in the reader poll for "favorite car" in the context of the award of the ADAC mobility award "Yellow Angel" ADAC Board has ordered a comprehensive investigation of all incidents and allegations on behalf of ADAC Headquarters. This has already begun immediately after being first accusations of manipulation and is ongoing. Results will be released after completion of the investigation.

On the current status of its internal investigations, Dr. Karl Obermair, chairman of ADAC CEO, stated: "We have to assume that even in recent years the number of votes cast was corrected for favorite car to the top . "the manipulation of the absolute number of votes - but not the ranking of the results - had the previous ADAC Head of Communications granted last Friday and it assumed sole personal responsibility Subsequently, he has all the functions and tasks in the ADAC resigned with immediate effect. .  "I am stunned at the audacity of the failure of a single executive, for the course to last the presumption of innocence has been considered. The ADAC is thus worse damage has been inflicted, "says Dr. Karl Obermair, Chairman of ADAC management. Task now was to fully restore the reputation and credibility of the club back with the utmost determination." We take the criticism of the ADAC extremely seriously and will do everything to regain confidence in the ADAC. "According to current knowledge, there is no evidence that other areas of the ADAC, such as consumer protection or engineering tests are affected by irregularities. Guidance of the ADAC regrets the reporting of the past days as well as the criticism of ADAC top representatives at the award ceremony "Yellow Angel" to individual media. This was done in the firm conviction that prove the manipulation allegations in the Süddeutsche Zeitung as insubstantial. This assessment has at the end of last week turned out to be wrong . the chairman of the ADAC management has apologized after confirmation of manipulation in the Süddeutsche Zeitung.

Наместо прво место да има 3000, пишале 30000, наместо второ 2000 гласови, пишале 20000 итн. Додале по една нула на крај.

Значи "readers poll for 'favorite car'", не "Car of the year".
И "the manipulation of the absolute number of votes", но не и финалниот исход.

Until proven otherwise, нормално.

Ако е ова вистина и се напумпани само бројки БЕЗ тоа да влијае врз крајниот резултат, тогаш дефинитивно многу поголем скандал е саботирањето на Dacia во 2005та година.
The numbers thing, the how-fast-can-we-drag-race-a-bunch-of-cars, is the realm of people who think more is better, not better is better. - Matt Hardigree, Jalopnik.

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Штурумфче, ако ги штелуваат гласовите од надовр, што останува за гласовите од внатре :)

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What?
The numbers thing, the how-fast-can-we-drag-race-a-bunch-of-cars, is the realm of people who think more is better, not better is better. - Matt Hardigree, Jalopnik.

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Ранг листи и глупости. Ако воопшто постојат и се нивни, ќе си ги дотераат исто како и гласовите.

Друга работа е што на разни места има разни информации. На некои места пишува дека гласовите го одредиле победникот. Претпоставувам дека затоа и се крева галама.

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Значи и изборот на Хјундаи и10 на КарБаер е местен? ;D